Walter bore the brunt of the ire then. I love Quicksand and obviously they were all hardcore kids but I don’t think I ever considered them a hardcore band.
Hardcore kids can play in non-hardcore bands. They are still excellent people who make great music but are just not playing underground music for an underground scene. They can’t even take their friends that still play in hardcore bands on their big tours. It still doesn’t make them a hardcore band.
Most music journalists in the 2020’s are just lazy hacks. I’ve lost count of the amount of times I read some piece about a a punk/HC/underground band or scene by someone who never bothered to do their homework.
People hate change. And they really hate it when it happens to something they love because they don’t think the things they love can change. That and it’s human nature to try to make sense of everything, put definition to everything for a sense of understanding — instead of simply existing and experiencing things. It seems like in many cases, people will spend more time seeking to define something than they will actually experiencing the thing.
The irony to me is that the spirit of punk is rooted in an attitude of doing what you want, because you want to. It’s not about labels, it’s about passion. So to your point here, it’s just reductive to try to label or define whether they are still a “hardcore” band. Because if you don’t like it, you can just not listen and move on with your life. They’re doing what they WANT to do.
I've seen so much FB chatter about Turnstile, lots of cheap/dumb takes and nothing with any substance. Haven't read any of the actual articles because I'm not really a fan and I know they're all reaching for something to bring the clicks.
I did listen to the album and it sounds like hardcore produced to be sold at Urban Outfitters or Forever 21. Not a bad thing for them. Sounds huge and palatable. There's bonafide hardcore parts all over the record, just very polished. The two songs that I really liked were the ones completely devoid of any hardcore parts. They could do New Wave heel turn and I'd be all for it.
I don’t know if it’s hardcore. I don’t like it but I’m sure their fans or them don’t care! I’m sure a lot of people hate the garbage I listen to as well.
1990 is calling again.
Walter bore the brunt of the ire then. I love Quicksand and obviously they were all hardcore kids but I don’t think I ever considered them a hardcore band.
Hardcore kids can play in non-hardcore bands. They are still excellent people who make great music but are just not playing underground music for an underground scene. They can’t even take their friends that still play in hardcore bands on their big tours. It still doesn’t make them a hardcore band.
Most music journalists in the 2020’s are just lazy hacks. I’ve lost count of the amount of times I read some piece about a a punk/HC/underground band or scene by someone who never bothered to do their homework.
People hate change. And they really hate it when it happens to something they love because they don’t think the things they love can change. That and it’s human nature to try to make sense of everything, put definition to everything for a sense of understanding — instead of simply existing and experiencing things. It seems like in many cases, people will spend more time seeking to define something than they will actually experiencing the thing.
The irony to me is that the spirit of punk is rooted in an attitude of doing what you want, because you want to. It’s not about labels, it’s about passion. So to your point here, it’s just reductive to try to label or define whether they are still a “hardcore” band. Because if you don’t like it, you can just not listen and move on with your life. They’re doing what they WANT to do.
I've seen so much FB chatter about Turnstile, lots of cheap/dumb takes and nothing with any substance. Haven't read any of the actual articles because I'm not really a fan and I know they're all reaching for something to bring the clicks.
I did listen to the album and it sounds like hardcore produced to be sold at Urban Outfitters or Forever 21. Not a bad thing for them. Sounds huge and palatable. There's bonafide hardcore parts all over the record, just very polished. The two songs that I really liked were the ones completely devoid of any hardcore parts. They could do New Wave heel turn and I'd be all for it.
I don’t know if it’s hardcore. I don’t like it but I’m sure their fans or them don’t care! I’m sure a lot of people hate the garbage I listen to as well.